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the hot new book, "need, speed and greed." i love the title. you will have to stay tune to know what it is about. and also, men that can't clean house, and the women who love them. the show starts right now. good day after the must-win illinois primary. i'm matt miller in for dylan ratigan. a coveted endorsement from jeb bush, fresh off his illinois victory, and as the land of lincoln fades away we move on to the inevitable battle this fall between barack obama and republican nominee, which looks more and more like mitt romney. the numbers from illinois though shooe big win for romney and we can't let them go by without showing the self-described tortoise newt gingrich, finishing behind ron paul, a tortoise indeed. romney has more than all of the other candidates combined.
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our dr trade report showing where punditry and commerce meet showes a 92% shot at gop nomination. santorum is at less than 2%. for more auntil sis we pring in politico,'s alexander burns. jeb bush, this seems like a big deal to me. very senior establishment republican. someone who some folks have been hoping might be the answer at a brokered convention. how significant is his endorsement today? does that mean that rm romney has a chance to wrap that up quickly? >> if everything goes well, it could be the beginning of the end for this nomination. the missing ingredient for romney all along has been some of the really heavyweight establishment. jeb bush, hailly barber, saying this is our guy, we are excited, it is time to get behind him for the fall. did if do you hear that pretty insistently, if you hear a couple more people of that
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stature come out, dwrae yeah, i think that does help move the campaign into the next phase. >> we heard rumors of other big names come out soon. >> just this afternoon you had bob dole who endorsed mitt romney a while ago but comes out to say rick santorum will have to bow to reality soon in this race. that's more aggressive call for party unity for opponents to clear the way than we have heard from the romney world so far. >> how long can newt gingrich last at this point? fourth place finish. money has to be kind of tight. i think a lot of people are increasingly thinking this is a grievance campaign. because clearly doesn't have have a shot. how long can this last? >> just depends on what scale that newt gingrich is prepared to incur going forward. he has about a hundred thousand in debt more than he has in the bank. it could be daunting for him to go forward even with the irrational grievance campaign. if he is paying this bill for the rest of his life.
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that said, he has been motivated by this vendetta against romney for well over a month now and there is no sign he is about to let up. >> now i want to put up a quote that we have from newt gingrich, i don't think the argument is very persuasive. you know, maybe that's the best argument that newt can make at this point but i think he is clutching at straws. >> i think that's pretty much the consensus view in his own party at this point. when you are coming in fourth in a state like illinois, a very politically main stream state. when you come in fourth to ron paul, there is not a market for the ideas this that primary electorate. he may do better this saturday but he better get first place or close to first place if there's a rational for that campaign to go forward. >> now there was even news this week, alexander that we had one
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of the swift vote back, the that famous set of awful, you know, defaming ads and the john kerry romney pac. what is the significance of that event? >> i think part of the significance of that is that bob perry is a mega donor that everyone would love to have associated with their super pac for pure reasons of financial advantage. he had donated to a number of candidates. he donated to tim paw looent, i believe to rick perry and now this is a real anteing up like he hasn't for anybody in this cycle. >> we now move to the issue of rick santorum. how long will he be driven to contend? to talk about that, we go to his native pennsylvania it discuss santorum with tom fitzgerald, politics writer for the philadelphia enquirer. welcome, tom. what is driving him at this point?
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is the delegate map looks set against him. say what you know about covering him with about what is driving him and what may determine when he decides to get out. >> santorum has a super natural, the guy is a missionary. one of his former aides said you can't understand rick santorum without thinking of him as a catholic missionary. he believes that he possesses you a unique truths. if he can get you to accept it, you can be portrayed. i don't mean that in a sarcastic way. he has deep faith in god and we will keep fighting for white quite a while. but thing with santorum is, in addition to his -- his long record of being a conscience conservative, if you will, he knows how to play the game.
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he is not quite, you know, changing his stripes on an etch-a-sketch. but when he was is in the senate, he was in the leadership. he famously or infamously said during debate that he took one for the team when he voted for no child left behind and prescription medicare prescription benefit, even though those are in post tea party republican theology. he became a lobbyist consultant when he left. he was raising money for the leadership conference. the guy is an inside player in addition to being a true believer in individual freedom and you know, the right it life, banning abortion, et cetera. >> tom, if i'm hearing you right, it sounds like man wh feels enviewed with that kind of mission, so long as he has a national microphone, which he does, even if the odds are against him, sounds like he will stay in basically to the very last minute.
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i suppose until in somehow enough of the party establishment makes clear to him he will pay a higher price staying in in terms of his future, reputation, those who he would alienate. it outweighs the benefit of the microphone. is that fair? >> that's a perfect analysis, matt. he is enough after political player to listen to the voices and to weigh that. he has his points of view to get across. he does believe that mitt romney would be a flawed and uninspiring nominee for the republican party and that that would be problems in the fall. but, he does want to have a few pure. he is a pretty young guy. 2016 isn't that far off. providing of course there isn't a second, you know, a re-elect for mitt romney presidency. >> now i know you write this morning that -- >> he will listen. >> you write this morning and
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enchoir that pennsylvania, april 24 primary, is looking more important than ever. talk about how you see that shaping up. >> right. it is almost a -- i suppose he has very few opportunities as calendar goes on to eat into that delegate math and in fact, as alexander was talking about the consensus, it is not even possible to do that. the type of mathematics that would make him the nominee don't exist in this world. or this dimension. but he could, in pennsylvania, he remember, he was crush whed he was going for reelection here in 2006 for his third term. he lost by 17 1/2 points. it was a humiliating across the board defeat. so it feels, as you hear talk, that he might want to, you know, fight on into pennsylvania to sort of vendcate himself.
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or to put a different ending on that story. >> well -- >> but that makes sense, he may want to put point on the board as he gez out. we just got a nano second left. at the end of the day, will we see rick santorum off his doppelganger that we see on saturday night live all the time, andy sandburg, who get a bit creepy at the end. any take on that? >> i'm not sure. i don't really -- you know, actually, i've been working so hard that i don't think i've seen that doppelganger. i'm embarrassed to say. >> not to worry. but it is worth catching on youtube or the web if you can. tom fitzgerald, thank for sharing your insights today. >> thanks, man. >> coming up on the dr show, war on trial. what the case against robert bales will look like in military court and in the court of public
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opinion. and what should happen to the accused soldier shooter. we will ask our mega panel. >> from health care to energy in the auto industry. what threat to disrupt around the world. and flooding you with junk mail, can this really be their only option? we have a lot to get to this afternoon, so please stay with us.
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i think the war is on trial. i think the war should be on trial. and i'm hoping that war will be on trial.
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>> that's the attorney for army staff sergeant robert bales who is accused of murdering 16 afghanistan civilians. former charges are likely to come tomorrow followed by a military trial. but sergeant bales may not be the
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that's why he was traded by denver, it's why they only threw
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him in really when they had to last season. it looked like a lot of luck as well. >> divine intervention. >> i'm not going to give him that one. >> don't be a skeptic. quickly, i cross the pond. >> i know about soccer. that proper football. >> we're coming back it that. ahead our specialist says we're on the the presipous. disruption. is that good or bad? we will ask him next. does any mother ever feel like their kids are adults? i have twins, 21 years old. each kid has their own path. they grow up, and they're out having their life. i really started to talk to them about the things that are important
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solar panels powering 17,000 homes. list let's listen in. >> think about it. you know, i wasn't a math major but i just want, if you're using 20 you've only got two, that means you got to bring in the rest from some place else. would y wouldn't we want to start finding alternatives that make us less reliant, let dependent on what going on in the middle east. so we've got to develop new energy technologies, new energy sources. it's the only way forward. and here in boulder city, you know that better than anybody. you know the promise that lies ahead because this city is always about the future. eight decades ago, in the midst of the great depression, the people of boulder city were busy working on another energy project. you may have heard of it. like today, it was a little bit ahead ofites time.
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a little bit bigger than the solar plant. a little louder too. it was call the hoover dam. at the time, it was the largest dam in the world. even today, it stands as a testimony to american in iningenuity be the power of the american spirit. the testament that we can do anything. that was true back then and it is true today. >> that's president obama talking about energy innovation, the can-do spirit in boulder city, nevada today. evolve or perish in the ultimatum facing businesses, pr the healthcare to audio industry. but according to our specialist, this isn't a bad thing. in this age of discorruption we must learn it discorrupt ourselves before somebody else does it for us. joining us now. an award winning global correspondent for the economist
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now based in chis in china. he is the author of "need, speed and greed." welcome, veejay, i love that title, by the way. >> thank you. >> we will get into need, greed and speed, today, i hope. >> thank you. >> this is pivoting off of what the president wag talking about. innovation shouldn't be thought of just as nancy new ganlets but a different frame of mind. >> absolutely. this is one of the main fallacies i tackle in the book. we think of innovation meaning invention, technology, ip, gadget, glover teixei gadgets, gismos. innovation simply put is fresh thinking but create value. this is creating value. it could be for shareholders. social business or hybrid business model, could be for stake holders. the hard part is not the gadget
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or gizmo, but a need or problems. >> i know you talk about in india and china, there is health care going on where can you leapfrog us. there is a need no drive lower cost business models. they can translate back to our shores to stop our 17% of gdp to stop the healthcare from devouring us. >> exactly. you see need, speed and greed, in the emerging markets. there is frugal engineering. this means cheap and cheerful solutions for problems. the medical devices industry, we have all had scans and x-rayes with be these are giant machines. companies come up with one that cost a hundred thousand dollars more and is a little bit better. your iphone, laptop, it means cheaper, smaller, better. not in medical innovation. in china, mind ray is an
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example, a new york stock exchange company, dozens of other examples from india and brazil, but it is cheaper and often better. i think that's the dirupgs coming. the u.s. healthcare problem solved with something done in a more frugal way. the question is the disruptive innovator going to use forks or chop sticks. >> is is it the emerging markets benefiting rather than say the traditional developed kun interests tris. >> i think you asked the right questions. it is about consumption. most benefits go to societies than open to new ideas, products, business models. america has a great track record on this. the venturesome of economies. but we close our borders to these things. i we are taking china and ganging up on them with the help of the
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japanese. >> over the minerals. >> over the minerals. the greater risk is if the greatest economy on earth, most open economy, ours, begins to close our minds to network open ways of doing innovation that are replacing the old at&t bell labs waying of doing it which is a silo or the xerox that developed the internet. there are network models of innovation. these are all hot beds in the brain circulation that is going on. don't think brain drain. don't think you can put up a wall around america and say only american innovation. because you are mitting out on great ideas that you can connect with global innovation hubs. and you should use innovation here, that's my point. >> how do you tame the greed portion here? because one of the things we talk about -- >> imhere to say, greed can be glorious. >> but how? >> here's how. >> that's veejay's statement.
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>> here's why, tht backlash with enron and lehman brothers and understandable backlash against capitalism has gone too far. climate change, pandemic crisis, middle class squeeze, education system not producing children for the idea's economy, if we tame the wicked problems, we need more capital, not less. harness greed for good. the way you do that is unleash the entrepreneurial potential of the sector. presidenobama just talked about ambition to solve the climate change problem with clean energy. he gets it half right. we need nor ambition. more ambition for innovation. but also one more disruptive and democratic. the solution won't come from a moon shot. send manning to the moon once cost be damned to fight soviets. that's why we wrote a blank check. that's a different problem than making sure that 300 million americans or 7 billion people on earth get affordable sustainable
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clean energy in a way that convenient. that's a problem suited to bottom up solutions. you can't subsidize your way to that solution. >> so your idea is that the right incentives will unlease innovation. greed in a good sense. >> the government has a role. when i look at energy, rather than subsidizing individual countries, look at incentives. i will say the dirty word. things like carbon taxes. >> higher carbon taxes. >> government has a role in making sure -- >> you and i aren't running for office. >> but americans believe in fairness. >> but you look good. i would vote for you. >> thank you. >> destruction. i mean, creative destruction. there are many, many people who don't like it. if you look back 130 years ago, you had a lot of great creative destruction and great innovation that came out. railroad, refrigeration. a lot of people lost their jobs. we seering it, by the way, in
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silicon valley w, i with argue. >> how do you avoid backlash against the good disruption we need. you must have a cure for that. >> absolutely. all in the book. need, speed and greed, available at good book stores near you. but i will give you a quick snap shop pt we need to relearn how we learn. how to make sure that educational system is -- >> let me stop you. >> i'm talking in careers. one of us, every one of our viewers, the job you think is secure, isn't tp connect mind and money to markets has to require disruption. we need to reinvent the next generation of industries and we need to reinvent our own careers. >> but don't we, to make the world safe, don't we need things like universal hall edge care in the united states? some kind of security so in a world that's changing, people say more change in the next 30 years than in the previous 300,
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people today have some sense of security when they are the losers. there are a lot of losers. i'm pushing you towards redistribution. >> i agree. but there is an essential role for government. there is neglect among the things government has to do. i argued on the editorial pages of mind magazine. we actually defend the nhs on the pages of the economist. and that a good system. could be more efficient. there are pockets of excellent even if america. kaiser permanente is an integrated system. people who deliver healthcare. on salary. they don't just give you scans for no reason and rack up the cost. there is a reason for government getting it right. there is a rl for government as essential enabler of innovation but let's let the individual
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entrepreneur where every one of us listening and watching this go out and create the future. that's what i'm in favor of. >> the book is "need, speed and greed" from the economist. fascinating conversation. thanks, as always, to our needy, speedy and greedy. can i say this? this is like our plega panel. you decide which one of you -- >> i'll take speedy. >> i'm needy. >> i'll take greedy. >> see you guys soon. up next, coming clean wheb it comes to a dirty little relayingship secret. [ groans ]
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and still hasn't been charged. it shows racial tensions zimmerman used in a 911 call it police. it certainly isn't the first time race issues have boiled up in america and won't be the last. but our guests show it has been demonstrated in five plays in particular, included in one of the most diverse areas here at home. with the husband and wife traveling team, they're co-authors of pax ethnica. this is your third book together, i understand. the fact that you are here and thriving, i've written some things can my wife myself, and i think it is a great thing. i applaud you just for that. let me start with you be you sort of set out to write a good news story in a world that is so dominated about the kind of down stories we hear everyday. what led you to this topic? >> we're normally historians and journalist. just for that reason we're always covering ethnic
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cleansing, genocides, war. and it is very depressing. so we were sitting around the lunch table one day and we said, there must be places in world where people actually get along. and carl had just read an article on marcier and they seemed to be doing better than paris. so we started with marseille pch we went to other parts of the world. we would eliminate one factor came into play, one way or the other. something would happen. or they didn't have enough diversity, like a place like japan, fairly homeo genius. so we came down to five. >> carl, take us on this whirl wind tour. a town in germany you guys looked at. >> it is an interesting town called flensburg it is right on the danish border. can you decide if you want to be danish or german. >> you can decide.
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>> yes. no one can challenge you. can you be either. this town was the center of two-century long conflict between the two countries. what was called a schleswigholstein. >> i remember that from high school history. >> yes. we heard about and looked into the republican of tarter stand in russia. not to be confused with the stands in central asia. this is part of the russian federation. where you've got 53% tatarst muss lums. in 2005, they dedicated one of the largest mosques in europe right next to the renovated orthodox cathedral as twin symbols of their city and state. >> on will kremlin there. >> in a place like that, what is the secret sauce? what makes it possible for these
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diverse groups to end up finding strength diversity? i remember bill clinton used to talk about our diverse et in the 21 century should be our strength. it doesn't always work out. how does it work there. >> part of it is their leadership. they had a very clever guy ne fwoe negotiating. he managed to negotiate a certain amount of autonomy for tatarstan. they had their own language. and they have 10% of russia's oil. so that helped a lot. they are very much economically a powerhouse as russians good. so the other thing i think very important about tartarstan is this mantra. when gu to tartarstan, from the top down, they say the theater is right next to the mosque.
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>> sure enough, hillary clinton appeared and says i'm here wauz the cathedral is right next to the mosque. >> talk a little bit, i know you were in india also, this is a quick global tour, but what did you find? what is the name of the town you explored there. >> a state. >> state, sorry. >> in the southeastern part of india. it is quite interesting that, in carola, about the size of west virginia, have you about 32 million more people than in australian or canada. have you everything. muslims, hindus, christians, even a remnant of jewish community there. once again, they all get along fine. not only do they get along, but they have the highest literacy, highest life expectancy, best healthcare system and most empowering of women in any state in india. >> and least corruption. there is an interesting thing about kerala, which is hard to
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replicate, it is a remittent society. >> people are working in dubai or other places. >> there is a saying there, all our children are export quality. export quality means they become nurses and doctors and go to the gulf. and they send home about $6 billion a year. most of these are muslims. muslims are much bet are off in kerala than the rest of india. that helps. >> talk about queens. a borrough of new york. >> it is interesting. we ought to celebrate and pay more attention to queens. what happened is starting in the 1960s and 70s, when immigration laws changed, and more people could come from latin-america, from asia, from africa, from everywhere, they came a lot of them, through our new ellis island, dh which is jfk airport. and they settled in various
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communities. so you have them all mixed together. that's one of the reason, i think, it succeeds. is if you've got to get along, you have to make a coalition with other people, so that you have people who, at home, from india, pakistan, sri lanka, bangladesh, they don't get along, they get along fine. >> quickly, shareen, lessons from all of this, like places like the middle east where it is a cal dron of tension and warfare. unfair to ask you to do it in 15 second, but i'll ask you anyway. what the top line method. >> type lon message would be land for peace. when they made the 67 war, they were supposed to trade that land for peace. and that hasn't happened. so that -- you have a very unhappy minority or majority soon in the middle east of
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palestinians. and they don't have peace and they don't have security. flensburg, danes and german, have security. and it is very unlikely that danes and germans will go to war. >> fascinating lessons from a very complicated word. the book is "park ethnica." thank you for coming by today. still ahead, season for change. krystal ball, the reason for optimism. and she is not just talking about warmer weather. as we head to break a sure sign of spring at the white house. mom and baby ducklings, back taking up residence, look at that. not in this economy. we also have zero free time, and my dad moving in. so we went to fidelity. we looked at our family's goals and some ways to help us get there.
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as we talked about tuesday, spring is officially here. will it be the season of change? here is krystal ball with her daily rant. take it away. >> thank you, matt. >> this week i walked outside and suddenly it was spring. daffodils were in full bloom. trees were starting to bud and desolate playground were full of children. i love the very early days when boods and blossoms force to you marvel at what a truly remarkable world we live in. we have celebrated arrival of spring as a time of rebirth and rejuvenation. more than any other time of year, it is when we look with an optimistic gaze towards the future. in fact, though it is easy to dwell on political negative,
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there is a real case to be made for optimism. we are stumbling and groping our way toward economic recovery, the housing market seems to be turning around and we are adding private sector jobs at a steady clip. we aren't there yet but we are heading into the right direction. we have learned things about banking and excessive credit in the meantime. i don't like the ryan budget, and i think it would be terrible for the country, but it is marginally less terrible than the one he proposed last year. that's something, right? more encouraging is the reason why we seem to be moving away from the crazy. ordinary citizens are increasingly lifting their voices and actually being heard over the dim of money and special interests. paul ryan changed his budget because he and his colleagues heard from a whole lost people who didn't care much for first take. in virginia, bob mcdonnell
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turn turned his ideas after citizens made it clear that his bills were not acceptable. even the once mighty rush limbaugh is quaking under the weight of citizen activists who are fed up with his hatred and division. places like iowa, florida and california are redistricting. california is also trying out top two primaries. in this system top two vote-getters, regardless of prty good on to general election. idea so to increase the competitive elections. our presidential election is trying out a completely on-line nominating process. all of these reforms seek to rest power away from well-funded interests gaining our system. er with innovating, improving, slowly coming together. that the way i see it this lovely spring. and optimism is not only possible, it is critical. the moment we luds faith in our ability to improve we will stop
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improving. the moment we give up on our citizen-led democracy it'll die. the dominance of cynical impulses, we will cease being the america of hope and idealism that we all love. matt? >> great commentary. i'm a glass half full guy. >> have you to be to be in politics, actually. >> yet, i'm prey to -- you get frustrated with what those are doing on other issues, what the way, briefly, about 15 second be what's the cure for sin sis team that we need to are remind ourselves -- >> maybe videos of cute baby ducks walking to the white house. >> that surprised me. >> i think to focus on the big picture. not so meyered down in daily struggles that can be que depressing. >> wonderful commentary. thank you for calling us bath from the edge of pessimism. >> i did my best, thank you. >> that does it for us today. i'm matt
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